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Title: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror
Post by: Manifest on January 30, 2015, 10:37:12 AM
Hello everybody! :)

I have decided to post a race which will be in progress for the moment, and I will then update the topic as progress is made regarding the race. :)

The goal for me is to create a race which is more teamplay based and grants certain banefits to it's teammates still focusing on the teamplay aspect. The reason why I decided to make a teamplay based race is because I think nowadays there are very few races containing a teamplay aspect, also you see less teamwork inside the WCS scene of the game, which I of course hope this race may help change. ;)


Race name: Oxiya - The conqueror

Skill 1: Motivational warcry 
Upon killing an enemy you and all allies within 125-300 range will receive 5-35 health


Skill 2: We came prepared!
You and your comrades receive 5-40 additional armor, also have 10-75% chance to give the entire team an ak47 or a m4a1


Skill 3: Bond of brothers
When being attacked you have 2-10% chance to teleport to a random teammate


Skill 4: Victory in focus
10-100% Chance to provide your entire team with either a defuse kit or a c4


Skill 5: Death sentence
You request backup, causing all nearby allies within 125-300 yards range to focus on the same point you look at


Looking forward to hearing all creative inputs as well as constructive criticism, both regarding race, as well as the idea of topic.

I would appreciate it very much if the people who decide to download and/or use this race would leave some feedback here on the topic, whether it is negative, positive or constructive is to me quite irrelevant. I use the feedback to improve myself and adapt my races to you guys' liking, therefore the more feedback I get, the more encouraged and motivated I am to make yet another race, as I know what your desires are.
If you have any wishes for a type of race such as, knife, scout, beefy, squishy, pistol only, then do feel free to leave it on the post, and I will take it up for consideration for future race designs.

Also feel free to comment on the progressive race creation which was used to create this race. Is it good, or bad?

Sincerely
- Manifest
Title: Re: [Race] Victoria - The conqueror (In progress)
Post by: Teller on January 30, 2015, 11:07:10 AM
This sounds so amazing !  :D
Even tho I can imagine some people get piss over the ultimate xD
Title: Re: [Race] Victoria - The conqueror (In progress)
Post by: Manifest on January 30, 2015, 11:26:17 AM
This sounds so amazing !  :D
Even tho I can imagine some people get piss over the ultimate xD

Agreed, some people may be frustrated over the ultimate which is why I have set the cooldown to be 20 seconds at max level, so it wont be spammable, also the range isn't too big, so it can be avoided by not walking together with this player. But unless the skill is used for trolling purposes I think this will be a pretty good skill in general, and not be too annoying, as it may help newcomers as well as low level races grant experience faster :)

Sincerely
- Manifest
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror (In progress)
Post by: WCSpiggy on January 30, 2015, 11:31:45 AM
this is my personal opinion, but your ultimate dosent sound as useful to me. A. it may turn them away from whoever they were about to shoot. B. most of the time it might just end  up makeing them face a wall. maybe im just being cynical. if it were me i would of made it teleport all allies either to you or to where your pointing(troll alert). just my opinion dont meant to be hurtful in anyway. :) rest looks great manifest keep up the good work
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror (In progress)
Post by: WCS - Wookie on January 30, 2015, 11:36:16 AM
I very much enjoyed reading this post Manifest. Also the 3rd skill is something I have never seen before but I think I might be able to come up with my own version of this to test in my server at some point.

For the ultimate ability, I was wondering if perhaps you could make it so that if you are one of the teammates within the range of the ultimate when it is activated, that you only get forced to look that way if there is a direct line of sight between you and the place the person who pressed the ultimate is looking at.

For example if I press the ultimate and my friend is close enough to me to be effected by the ultimate but he is behind a wall or cannot see the target I am looking at when I press my ultimate, can they avoid being forced to look that way?

Alternatively could you teleport/pull all your teammates within range to your current position when you press your ultimate, this way creating a firing squad? Edit: While I was typing this Piggy also commented about teleport your allies to you when you press it, I second this and perhaps teleport your allies next to you in a line like a firing squad?

Just some thoughts, as always I eagerly await your responses.
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror (In progress)
Post by: Manifest on January 30, 2015, 11:37:41 AM
this is my personal opinion, but your ultimate dosent sound as useful to me. A. it may turn them away from whoever they were about to shoot. B. most of the time it might just end  up makeing them face a wall. maybe im just being cynical. if it were me i would of made it teleport all allies either to you or to where your pointing(troll alert). just my opinion dont meant to be hurtful in anyway. :) rest looks great manifest keep up the good work

I agree in some situations it will cause these kind of problems, but I also intended to make this race a "hard to master" like high risk high reward race. It may be used for trolling, but hopefully it wont, the teleport idea, I don't mean to be a dick here, but if you teleport all your teammates and lets assume it has atleast 30 seconds cooldown, you may end up ruining even more as you teleport them to your location, where you are maybe being shot at (countering skill 3 - Bond of brothers), then it will cause you as well as your allies to die in most cases, for not to mention all the times you may ruin objectives xD
But I hear you, this may be used for trolling, but if the individual is rational then it probably wont :)



I very much enjoyed reading this post Manifest. Also the 3rd skill is something I have never seen before but I think I might be able to come up with my own version of this to test in my server at some point.

For the ultimate ability, I was wondering if perhaps you could make it so that if you are one of the teammates within the range of the ultimate when it is activated, that you only get forced to look that way if there is a direct line of sight between you and the place the person who pressed the ultimate is looking at.

I am glad you liked the skill 3, feel free to play around with the concept (not that you needed my permisson anyway) xD
But if you want to play around with it, then you can save yourself some time till I've released the race and you can just copy it from the race itself, and then play around with it :)

That would require the wallcheck which sadly is no longer working (atleast of what I am aware of) therefore it wont be a possibility, elsewise that would be my choice as well. If it is too troublesome the ultimate range can always be reduced, thay way it will effect less people, in most cases. :)

Sincerely
- Manifest
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror (In progress)
Post by: WCSpiggy on January 30, 2015, 11:38:40 AM

Alternatively could you teleport/pull all your teammates within range to your current position when you press your ultimate, this way creating a firing squad? Edit: While I was typing this Piggy also commented about teleport your allies to you when you press it, I second this and perhaps teleport your allies next to you in a line like a firing squad?

Just some thoughts, as always I eagerly await your responses.

I also suggest onto this where they are only there for say 3 seconds then they return to there original location (like ozmosis)
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror (In progress)
Post by: WCSpiggy on January 30, 2015, 11:39:17 AM
Maybe just two teammates then? also is this a reference to onxyia  http://www.wowwiki.com/Onyxia
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror (In progress)
Post by: WCS - Wookie on January 30, 2015, 11:44:48 AM
I think it could be a cool idea to maybe use the backup idea like you had in Azura where you spawn bots in to back you up and then direct their fire at the target, maybe this could be a possible work around for preventing potential trolls.
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror (In progress)
Post by: WCSpiggy on January 30, 2015, 11:46:54 AM
I think it could be a cool idea to maybe use the backup idea like you had in Azura where you spawn bots in to back you up and then direct their fire at the target, maybe this could be a possible work around for preventing potential trolls.

fuck it call the race wonder woman and call in the amazons xD. jk
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror (In progress)
Post by: Manifest on January 30, 2015, 11:52:15 AM
Maybe just two teammates then? also is this a reference to onxyia  http://www.wowwiki.com/Onyxia

Hehe, no but could as well have been.
Truth be told I was actually creating the race here on the forum before even editing the files for the race itself, so it is being designed here and then I move it to my desk and work on the details :)

But honestly, I called the race Victoria to begin with, but then I made the skill "Bond of brothers" and then I needed to edit it to a name which would be more suiting due to gender related reasons. So I just came up with Oxiya out of nowhere I found Oxiya to have a ring to it when combined with the conqueror title :)


I think it could be a cool idea to maybe use the backup idea like you had in Azura where you spawn bots in to back you up and then direct their fire at the target, maybe this could be a possible work around for preventing potential trolls.

Yes, you are right about this, although not all servers are very fund of bots, also I have made something similar to this skill before in Azura, and I would therefore prefer to make something original, however you shall feel free to change the ultimate in the race upon the release, if you need any help doing so I gladly give you a hand :)

Sincerely
- Manifest
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror (In progress)
Post by: WCS - Wookie on January 30, 2015, 11:59:47 AM
What if you reduced the radius of the ultimates area but got the locations say 3 feet to the left and right of the player using the ultimate and teleported any teammates within range of the ultimate affect and then force them to look at where you are pointed.

Just a thought and as I'm not the one having to code this I can make ridiculous requests all I like :)
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror (In progress)
Post by: Manifest on January 30, 2015, 12:07:55 PM
What if you reduced the radius of the ultimates area but got the locations say 3 feet to the left and right of the player using the ultimate and teleported any teammates within range of the ultimate affect and then force them to look at where you are pointed.

Just a thought and as I'm not the one having to code this I can make ridiculous requests all I like :)

Haha, yeah that is true :P
Yes you could do that, but that would still be very easy to troll with as you could get your allies killed easily, the aim feature itself is quite harmless without the teleport :)

Sincerely
- Manifest
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror (In progress)
Post by: xines on January 30, 2015, 01:52:54 PM
Nicely done race, gonna have to say really cool ideas really creative thinking you did on this :)
only cons that i could find as teller mentioned is, maybe ultimate gonna piss off some people.
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Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror (In progress)
Post by: Manifest on January 30, 2015, 02:04:15 PM
Nicely done race, gonna have to say really cool ideas really creative thinking you did on this :)
only cons that i could find as teller mentioned is, maybe ultimate gonna piss off some people.

Yes I also figured that much on my own, however I consider it worth it assuming the ultimate is used correctly and now abused it will be a gamechanger and a pretty fun way to work together especially if multiple people are using the race and group up (actually playing as a team as intended in the first place), then it will allow people to attack from 360 degrees at all times, as each individual can force others crosshair to the location the one who spots other look at :)
But yes it can be abused, but for now let's just hope it wont x)
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror (In progress)
Post by: Manifest on January 30, 2015, 02:05:57 PM
UPDATE:
The race has now been finished, all that needs to be done is testing it on a server running the regular WCS mod which probably will be done either tonight or tomorrow. :)

I'll keep you updated! 8)

Sincerely
- Manifest
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror (In progress)
Post by: xines on January 30, 2015, 02:22:35 PM
Yes I also figured that much on my own, however I consider it worth it assuming the ultimate is used correctly and now abused it will be a gamechanger and a pretty fun way to work together especially if multiple people are using the race and group up (actually playing as a team as intended in the first place), then it will allow people to attack from 360 degrees at all times, as each individual can force others crosshair to the location the one who spots other look at :)
But yes it can be abused, but for now let's just hope it wont x)

Indeed!

I think it could be fun having a only team based race server, like 10 races to T, and 10 races to CT, then somehow force the teams to be working together for a win, maybe add some flag capturing with ranks and stuff like this ;D.
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror (In progress)
Post by: Manifest on January 30, 2015, 02:56:42 PM
CTF has always been a great feature, it's a shame it wasn't implanted into CS:S by default. It could have been hell of fun combined with WCS.
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror (In progress)
Post by: xines on January 30, 2015, 03:05:15 PM
CTF has always been a great feature, it's a shame it wasn't implanted into CS:S by default. It could have been hell of fun combined with WCS.

Yes it would have been a killer mod for CSS!

- Okay no more talking bout this as its filling your topic :-X
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror (In progress)
Post by: ÒÇÉŁŐŦ on January 30, 2015, 06:18:00 PM
Ya can always test on my Zriot as well hmmmm? lol. Race looks very promising, and im sure it has some killer effects. Cant wait man.
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror (In progress)
Post by: Manifest on January 30, 2015, 06:41:19 PM
Hey everyone, I am just bumping this thread so that you can all see that the race has now been updated, wrapped up and is ready to be downloaded and installed onto your servers. :P

I would appreciate it very much if the people who decide to download and/or use this race would leave some feedback here on the topic, whether it is negative, positive or constructive is to me quite irrelevant. I use the feedback to improve myself and adapt my races to you guys' liking, therefore the more feedback I get, the more encouraged and motivated I am to make yet another race, as I know what your desires are.
If you have any wishes for a type of race such as, knife, scout, beefy, squishy, pistol only, then do feel free to leave it on the post, and I will take it up for consideration for future race designs.

Also feel free to comment on the progressive race creation which was used to create this race. Is it good, or bad?

Looking forward to hearing all of your opinions everybody!  ;D

Sincerely
- Manifest
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror
Post by: Revan on January 30, 2015, 11:03:07 PM
Nice race and cool effects!
Your team will love this ultimate xD other than that this race as some really unique skills

Keep up the good work  ;D
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror
Post by: Eareland on January 31, 2015, 11:07:07 AM
Oh my days. This is something new to me (most of the things are...)
Unique race idea overall, and cool effects.

Good job ! Tsefinam. 囧
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror
Post by: Manifest on January 31, 2015, 11:56:53 AM
@Revan thank you Revan, glad to hear you liked it, and be ready to have me stalking you on the server of ours and using the ultimate to misdirect you whenever you have a chacne of getting a kill xD
Glad to hear you liked the effects, looking forward to reworking your race here today ;)

@Eareland
Haha thanks man, I actually wasn't aware that these skills were that unique, but now that you mention it, I haven't really encountered them on the forum either ???
Thanks for pointing out, also glad that you like the effects, well.. Despite, yeah you know, the usual fact that you don't really enjoy effects in-game :P xD

But thanks, I'll try and keep it up, also it's nice to see you are still present on the forum Dnalerae! ;D

Sincerely
- Tsefinam
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror
Post by: Kiwi :) on January 31, 2015, 02:37:23 PM
amazing :) i will try it
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror
Post by: Manifest on February 01, 2015, 12:22:38 PM
amazing :) i will try it

Sounds great, let me know if you encounter any errors on this race, despite there shouldn't be any :)

Sincerely
- Manifest
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror
Post by: Kiwi :) on February 01, 2015, 08:28:25 PM
all work perfect :) just a little problem what u dont have :/

u have noblock me dont so the one spell with the 2-10% chance to get to a teammate make me ehmm i call it "buggy" cause i stuck in my teammate :/


think its better when i install noblock or? cause when someone is camping is there a change to make me stuck in wall when i just get teleportet near to him or?

hope u understand what i mean cause u remember my PRO englisch^^
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror
Post by: Manifest on February 01, 2015, 09:25:49 PM
all work perfect :) just a little problem what u dont have :/

u have noblock me dont so the one spell with the 2-10% chance to get to a teammate make me ehmm i call it "buggy" cause i stuck in my teammate :/


think its better when i install noblock or? cause when someone is camping is there a change to make me stuck in wall when i just get teleportet near to him or?

hope u understand what i mean cause u remember my PRO englisch^^

You are 100% correct, this race is not designed to servers which are not running with a NoBlock addon/plugin of any kind. By installing NoBlock I 100% ensure you that this will not happen and you will not be stuck in any walls nor any of the players you may be teleported to :)
In other words, if you install NoBlock on your server this skill will work like a charm, with no errors ;)

Sincerely
- Manifest
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror
Post by: Masteraviv13 on February 02, 2015, 11:52:29 PM
I like it :3
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror
Post by: Kiwi :) on February 03, 2015, 12:01:24 AM
i like it too thanks manifest :)
Title: Re: [Race] Oxiya - The conqueror
Post by: Manifest on February 03, 2015, 10:20:14 AM
I like it :3

i like it too thanks manifest :)

Hehe thank you guys, I am happy you both like the race. I hope you'll have a great use of it, both of you of course ;)

Sincerely
- Manifest